[TV] Kamen Rider Dragon Knight: Emmy-Winning... No, really.

[The 2nd Evil]

Originally Posted by TemplarKnight

Also I would guess that the evildiver card from sting's deck either went back into his deck or went blank since evildiver abandoned his deck.

This would contradict A Rider's Challenge when Volcancer was vented with Incisor.

And if Volcancer wasn't vented, they shouldn't have used the same type of special effect.

[Tristanism]

One could argue that the monsters Strike brought together just happened to be the same "species" as the Rider's monsters. We've seen the same monsters used a few times as enemies, so that would make sense.

Not that I think the writers actually thought of this, but it does work...

[Judge Joker]

It was a pretty solid episode. Not the best, but certainly not the worst.

I like how it was far more action focused, like the episode was just one big fight. I don't think the riders appeared in human form more than once, and Xaviax didn't at all.

Hmm, wasn't it just two weeks ago that Kase was pwning Xaviax herself? Now with Wing Knight at her side, Xaviax is kicking both their arses. Although I did like how she demanded Len go help Kit and she'd take on Xaviax alone. Thing is, she still got her arse kicked even when it looked like she was going to go into badass mode. Note the "looked like".

God, I wanted the Maya and co. scenes over with quickly. Speaking of, I thought the riders and Maya and co. were in Ventatra at the start, but when it cam clear that they weren't when Michelle entered the scene, why didn't Maya just grab Trent and Lacey and jump through the car window? She can enter and exit Ventara at will, can't she?

Strike remains to badass. Seriously, the villains in this show are great. My only gripe with them is Xaviax's "our job is done here", when they have a chance to take out both Wing and Dragon Knights as they mourn the loss of Siren. I mean, they could've won right there and then.

I admit, Kase just happening to have Wing and Dragon's Survive Cards is a bit of a wtf. The Dragon Knight she knew betrayed them, so why would she lift his Survive and not her own? Speaking of, I would love to see Siren's Survive Mode. I wonder how hard it would be to make a Survive Mode card for the toys...?

Her reasoning however was a bit strange. Sure, Axe could be seen as an amature, but Strike? Sorry, but a rider who goes around venting other riders all day every day is not an amature by my standards.

To be honest, I expected Xaviax to vent Siren. Strike's vented so many riders, but as someone else said, that may come back to bite him in the arse. He's now got Wing Knight and Dragon Knight on his tail, and in a couple of weeks will most likely have Torque, Thrust, Sting, Axe and Siren out for his blood as well. If they do go that route, it could be interesting.

The aftermath of her venting when Len and Kit are mourning her was very similar to them mourning Sting. I won't say that's a bad thing as she and Len were shagging on Kit's couch, but the flashbacks were a bit much. The dialouge was pretty good, however.

All in all, like I said, a solid episode. It had it's flaws but I think it had more positives. I liked Siren as a rider and she won't be gone for long (what, two weeks?) Either way, Survive Mode next week!

[kibapower]

Originally Posted by Kaheraji

This would contradict A Rider's Challenge when Volcancer was vented with Incisor.

And if Volcancer wasn't vented, they shouldn't have used the same type of special effect.

That is what confused me about this episode. Where did Metalgelas and Evildiver went after their Riders were vented? Possibly in limbo like Dragreder was, but in that case why it took so long to get to Strike and why not go after Len with the decks?

[mjt2]

I gotta give the writers credit for writing a solid soap opera with cgi. Another episode where nothing happens but for some reason you kinda feel like something did.

[MegaRed]

Siren is gone.
Strike is more powerful.
Kit and Len will become more powerful.
The annoying kids were taken by the government.

Yeah, nothing happened...

[GreenNinja]

Originally Posted by MegaRed

Siren is gone.

How can one be gone if one was never there?

[Terra]

Just saw the episode, and I loved every bit of it. Strike continues his badass way. Xaviax seems to learn from his previous battles against Kase, and Survive mode next week!

As for the poll, I like them both equally right now. Both had their awesome moments, and their...not so awesome moments.

[Poweranimals]

Originally Posted by Golden_Lightning

I admit, Kase just happening to have Wing and Dragon's Survive Cards is a bit of a wtf. The Dragon Knight she knew betrayed them, so why would she lift his Survive and not her own?

She just grabbed what she could. I'm guessing they just happened to be the easiest to grab. The place was falling apart. She didn't have time to pick and choose.

[mjt2]

Originally Posted by MegaRed

Siren is gone.

They killed off a rider they introduced a few episodes ago? OMG must maintain status quo!

Strike is more powerful.

Kit and Len will become more powerful.

So in other words, equal ground again. OMG must maintain status quo!

The annoying kids were taken by the government.

And the annoying kids and Michelle Walsh have an impact on the overall story how?

Yeah, nothing happened...

Exactly.

[Chaos Mohawk Emo]

Did anyone else notice that, in Dragon and Strike's 3 fight scenes, the Dragvisor went from left arm, to right arm, to left again?

[Jericho]

Originally Posted by mjt2

They killed off a rider they introduced a few episodes ago? OMG must maintain status quo!

If by few episodes you mean Rider who has been a constant character on the show for 9 weeks then yes.

If you want to slate the show slate it for something that's actually true.

[GreenNinja]

Originally Posted by Jericho

a constant character on the show for 9 weeks

And yet, I'm barely aware of anything she's done beyond "Survive Mode out of almost nowhere" and "looking pretty".

[mjt2]

Originally Posted by Jericho

If by few episodes you mean Rider who has been a constant character on the show for 9 weeks then yes.

If you want to slate the show slate it for something that's actually true.

9 episodes? Are you freaking kidding me? What a waste. Who is Kase, anyway? Is there some reason we should care she's been vented?

[Jericho]

Slow motion ass shots are the foundation of any good tv show! ... It makes up for the slow motion ass shots of len putting his leg over the bike in the early episodes

[Judge Joker]

Siren pushed the odds more in the favour of the good guys, something which Sting did not. Yet, I agree that Sting was far more important. He had a story, a reason to fight and a reason to get vented (not that his aim was to get vented, but more that he had a reason to sacrafice himself - to become that hero he wanted to be). Siren, not so much. I do feel she was a worthwhile character in her own right, and she was certainly a far better fighter than Chris or Kit, but yeah, we didn't get to know much about her. All we really know is that she grabbed the Survive Cards, is a whitelighter, and Len's sex buddy.

I wasn't disapointed by the character, but I do very much feel that the better "third member" of the team was Sting.

As for they both have a similar venting scenario, I think Sting's was more to arouse sadness, but when Strike did it again with Siren, it looks like "he's went too far" and is to arouse anger, judging by the little sneak peak of next weeks episode. Of course, I'm only goin by a few seconds seeing Len going to use the Survive Card outside of "an emergency".

But Kase's entrance was kick ass.

[SmashZ]

They killed off a rider they introduced a few episodes ago? OMG must maintain status quo!

I don't see this mentioned much, but I felt like Ryuuki had the same problem. After Raia's death, everything always seemed to return to a "status quo" of sorts, with the secondary Riders getting moved out of the way to not get in the way of the main plot. Dragon Knight started doing it even earlier though.

Most people complain about Kabuto's misuse of the Riders, but I thought it used multiple Riders in a more organic way than Ryuuki.

[NegaRanger]

Originally Posted by Kaheraji

This would contradict A Rider's Challenge when Volcancer was vented with Incisor.

And if Volcancer wasn't vented, they shouldn't have used the same type of special effect.

The difference was that Incisor had his Contract Beast out when he was Vented while (I believe) Thrust and Sting did not. You could easily assume that Evildiver and Metalgelas staying in their cards prevented them from being Vented as the Advent Decks are the only parts that don't disappear.

Also I really doubt that the "Venting animation" for Volcancer was meant to imply that he was being sent to the Advent Void as well. The SFX guys may have just wanted to use a fancy animation of Volcancer disappearing to show that Incisor was out of energy before they had established that pixelizing effect implied Venting.

Originally Posted by Golden_Lightning

God, I wanted the Maya and co. scenes over with quickly. Speaking of, I thought the riders and Maya and co. were in Ventatra at the start, but when it cam clear that they weren't when Michelle entered the scene, why didn't Maya just grab Trent and Lacey and jump through the car window? She can enter and exit Ventara at will, can't she?

Has Maya ever been shown to be able to travel through mirrors on their own? I'm pretty sure that its been said that only Monsters can travel between freely, but humans need Advent Decks to open a portal in a reflective surface. If memory serves every time Maya has gone into a mirror she has either been in physical contact with someone with an Advent Deck or in contact with a Mirror Monster. Entering the Advent Void just gave her the ability to see the monsters and through the mirrors.

[Tristanism]

One of my biggest problems with Ryuki was that it felt trapped by its own gimmick. They had 932487927 different useless Riders they needed to get to, and after you reached a certain point, there was no way you were going to be convinced that any of them except Ryuki, Zolda, Knight, and Oja were the slightest bit important to the real plot.

The same is true with Dragon Knight (replacing Zolda with Sting/Siren) but I actually prefer the KRDK way of doing it, because it doesn't even bother to pretend that these Riders and their own personal stories are important. For the most part, it stays on task (crappy as the task may be at times) and the other Riders are handled more like an extra little treat just because they can, rather than these people that need four episodes to tell a story that I'm already certain isn't going to matter a few weeks down the line. In fact, they combined Impaler and Tiger into one arc just to have a little less nonsense.

In my opinion, they're both heavily flawed shows, particularly in how they use their non-essential Riders. But somehow the KRDK one is slightly less irritating, just because I won't be subjected to any two-part side stories that draw my attention too far away from what the show is actually about.

And while I'm on the subject of comparing the two shows. Shinji sucks. I don't think Kit is amazing himself but (and I can't believe I'm even saying this) he actually has more of a stake in what's happening to him than Shinji did. At least he's got his father to worry about.

Shinji had some cash that he owed Ren. -_-;

[Judge Joker]

One thing I really loved about Ryuki was the fights. I found them enjoyable for the most part. I do prefer the Dragon Knight fights when we're just compairing the fight scenes alone, but the music. God the music in the DK fights is not that good at all. Ryuki had powerful, energizing songs that, alone, make scenes epic and awesome. See, in fight scenes, music is essential for an epic feel. Saban knew this for PR as Disney does now, Toei know it for both Sentai and KR, but Adness for DK, that's a no.